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A mod has decided, against the community, that showing research in a question is now a requirement. How are we supposed to show one's research when posting a question?

Example: How can I view the channels that I have been added to recently on Slack? The question was closed because it doesn't show research. What should I say in the question to show my research?

A mod's comment mentions:

Please show what you have tried, share what you found here and in the official resources for Slack end users and why it didn't meet your needs

I searched the question on Google, and looked at https://slack.com/help, but I didn't see any answer. So what should I say in the question to show my research? My search queries? URLs I looked at? etc.

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For what it's worth. I agree with you.

Of course we want to encourage users to show research effort. But we don't want to close questions just because they can be easily answered. We actually do want easily answered questions on Web Apps Stack Exchange, because we want answers to every relevant question! A question that is easily answered for some might be a real puzzler for someone else. There is a reason why some of these easily answered questions get so many upvotes. It's because many users find them useful.

The purpose of the website, according to the tour, is this:

With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about web applications.

Of course, if a question doesn't show much research effort, you are free to downvote the question. But to close it is heavy handed. It hurts the purpose of the community, in my opinion.

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The job of moderators is to enforce the rules that the community comes up with, not to invent rules themselves out of whole cloth. (Though moderators may also initiate and guide discussions about changes to rules.) If you feel that a moderator is going rogue, and enforcing rules with which the community demonstrably disagrees, then bringing that up on Meta Stack Exchange may be the best response.

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While presumably you didn't get such a message (and maybe you should have), in the help pages - there's this page

Which includes

Any background research you've tried but wasn't enough to solve your problem.

I'd say while in many cases community consensus (and one answer doesn't really meet the bar of it to me) .

The answer to the quiestion you linked also says

It is also a pity that you did not spend as much time reading What does it mean if a question is "closed"?. You would have found that search and research are simply not a basis for closure, and might have better understood why your own question was closed.

Generally a reopen request involves making more of a case than "I disagree with the moderator". The chosen answer seems to imply the reasons for closure are... misrepresented, so it isn't really a great argument there.

Showing one's research is always useful too - it prevents people from treading the same ground you did (which wastes everyone's time), and if your failed solutions are less useful to you - they might help others.

People who answer things want interesting problems - and sometimes putting a little more effort into the problem, and laying out your user story is helpful.

You've asked 'what I want' - but I think the real question is 'what am I trying to do?' Which might make things better.

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  • Thanks. How are we supposed to show one's research when posting a question? Example: How can I view the channels that I have been added to recently on Slack? The question was closed because it doesn't show research. What should I say in the question to show my research? Mar 8, 2023 at 4:04
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    Well what did you try? What are you trying do do, things like that. Mar 8, 2023 at 4:06
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    Thanks. "Well what did you try?" -> I searched the question on Google, and looked at slack.com/help, but I didn't see any answer. So what should I say in the question to show my research? My search queries? URLs I looked at? etc. "What are you trying do do" -> I'd like to view the channels that I have been added to recently on Slack. Mar 8, 2023 at 4:08
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    In the past, I did try to improve my questions when asked, but they remain closed and the mods won't explain why, e.g. see webapps.stackexchange.com/q/117076/18147 So I'm genuinely trying to understand what I need to write in the questions. And the closures scare away new visitors, e.g. see webapps.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4788/… I've just asked Rubén (as a comment on his answer) what research I should show, and my comment got removed. Mar 8, 2023 at 4:14
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    I'm experiencing the same thing. When I edit the question to add details about the research, I get told that I shouldn't add unnecessary details. So it's catch 22: if I show research, it's closed as unclear, if I add details, it's edited to remove the details, and remains closed as unclear.
    – Flimm
    Apr 11, 2023 at 6:55
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The link with text "against the community" poinst to an answer from Tedinoz to a previous question from you: Is showing research is a requirement when posting a question on WebApps SE? which currently is locked for 2 more days:

The Tedinoz's answer literaly says

Talk about red herrings!

No. IMO, showing research in the question body is not a requirement when posting a question on WebApps SE.

Please note that he is not making reference to anything having the high that you are pretending. Your previous question mentioned that is looked, was looked because in another post you have done the same what you are doing here and it is being reviewed with other moderators.

While I have being done my best effort to assume good intentions from you and I was feeling that I can't continue assumming that, I was adviced to keep doing it, but I found this really hard as I found this repetive practice from you done here and having the perception that you have done in other sites too to be a deceive behavior.

I'm really considering this to be my last public message directly addressed to you in Web Applications SE while I'm being a diamond moderator.

As a last message advice, if you want to dispute a moderator action mine or from any other moderator from this site or any other in the Stack Exchange network, follow the instructions provided in the following FAQ from Meta Stack Exchange: What recourse do I have if I believe a moderator has abused their privileges?

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Unfortunately latelythe participation here is very low and this channel isn't working between us, and I can no longer assume that you have good intentions regarding being open to give and receive clear, constructive and honest feedback .

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    Hi Rubén. Did you consult with the other moderators before making this decision? @Franck Dernoncourt has been suspended now. Of course I don't know what is going on, but to me it comes across as a valid point that doesn't deserve suspension. Do the other moderators agree with you?
    – Flimm
    Mar 27, 2023 at 11:03
  • Hi @Flimm. It's not clear what you mean by "this decision". Regarding the rest of your comment, the information about past, present and future suspensions is only shared between community moderators and community managers. Mar 27, 2023 at 13:37
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    Can you share which moderators have been active lately working with you?
    – Flimm
    Apr 11, 2023 at 6:56

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